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I'm back from Comic-Con and Writercon, and still processing everything. At both events I didn't get quite as much time with friends as I would have liked, but I'm so happy to have gone and to have met the people that I did. The workshops at Writercon were amazing, and I was blown away and inspired, but must get some sleep, now.

But first, With This Ring garnered a few more nominations while I was away. It's nominated in the Doomed (Het) category at Running With Sissors Awards, and in the Short and Dark/Angst categories at Fang Fetish Awards! That last one is especially shocking to me, since most of the feedback I got was "sweet" and "funny"; also: "satisfying". I thought it contained at least the minimum daily requirement of angst, but I didn't get the feeling anybody else did. Heh. mere_ubu swears she isn't responsible for these noms, and while she's a crafty little minx and all, I tend to believe her. So, thank you to whichever of you did this! It's like whoa to a writer, especially a writer who has been a little on the not-so-much writing side. The pretties:

and

In my defense, I am diligently working away on a multi-chapter fic (my first!), so my guilt is containable at the moment. I can't post chapters though, because the plot is still wonky, and I might have to change things at the beginning to make it all work out at the end. Coming this fall to a ficathon near you!

Some of you may have noticed that I tend to incorporate a lot of other art and literature into my stories: the recent "Riley Finn is Don Jose from Carmen" ficlet, the Allen Ginsberg Howl drabble, the vampires at The Mikado romp, etc. Honestly, sometimes I go a little overboard, but it's just so fun for a gal with a liberal arts education to splash around in that big ol' pool, you know?

Anyway, I've got a theory that will probably never make it into a story in any concrete way, but which informs anything I write that is Spuffy. larabeckinsale's recent post brought it to the forefront of my brain. You might as well know about it, if you're going to be reading my Spuffy. In my mind, Buffy & Spike really are Elizabeth & Darcy in a lot of important ways. Their arc, Season 2 through 5, is very much Pride & Prejudice, with vampires. T
his might be a minority opinion, or lots of stuff may have already been written about the similarities, but here's my case:

In both stories, two intelligent and self-assured people come from different social classes, but are thrown together. After their first encounter she develops a strong dislike for him, while he is instantly fascinated by her. He misinterprets his interest as something fleeting, at first, and thinks it will pass (when he kills her, according to Spike). She has all these ideas about the kind of person he is, and he doesn't feel he should have to explain himself (in Spike's case, because he relishes his bad reputation). The more time he spends with her, the more his attraction grows, although he knows the match is a bad one in many ways. As she gets to know him better, she also becomes attracted (my view, YMMV) but fights that attraction fiercely, until his help to her family makes it impossible for her to stick to her former bad opinion of him. This brings us to the end of Season 5, which is where I belive Buffy falls in love with Spike.
Good opinion + attraction = love.

Of course, there are lots of differences in the stories, as well. The tales of Spike's evil deeds were not exagerated or misrepresented. While Giles works pretty well as Mr. Bennett, and Dru is a very whacked-out Caroline Bingley, Joyce is, thankfully, no Mrs. Bennett. Most crucially, though, Buffy dies.

How this analogy can be carried into Seasons 6 & 7, I'm not sure, but since Jane Austen never let us behind the matrimonial bedroom door, who's to say there weren't more similarities? I'd like to think that Elizabeth and Darcy led passionate lives, but without all the angst. It's hard to imagine Elizabeth as depressed, flailing, and cruel. Snarky? Definitely.

Just know that I've never met a version of Pride and Prejudice I didn't like, and Buffy the Vampire Slayer (the Spuffy arc) is no exception.

Comments

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cindergal
Aug. 5th, 2009 12:11 am (UTC)
It was great meeting you, and I wish we could have spent more time chatting. I'm happy to hear you enjoyed the workshops and panels.

Congrats on your nominations! I look forward to catching up on your stories, soon.

And have you seen this?: Mr. Darcy, Vampyre ;-)
rebcake
Aug. 5th, 2009 12:38 am (UTC)
Amazing! I thought I was going to some nifty classic fic, but no! A real novel (not fanfic at all, oh no). Heh. Cool.

It was lovely meeting you as well. All of the attendees are going to have fun catching up on their new friends' work, I believe.
zanthinegirl
Aug. 5th, 2009 12:27 am (UTC)
Oh, I like this theory! Completely coincidentally I just rented "Lost in Austen" and have both Pride and Prejudice and fan fiction on the brain...
rebcake
Aug. 5th, 2009 12:39 am (UTC)
It's a natural!
ms_scarletibis
Aug. 5th, 2009 12:33 am (UTC)
I've never actually read Pride & Prejudice (I know, I know--bad writer!), but here are a couple of versions I've come across. The first is from Joss, except he reversed those roles (Spike is Elizabeth and Buffy is Darcy): http://lifeamgood.com/01aprbuffy.html

And the other is Ripe Wicked Plum's "Pride & Prejudice" which can be found here: http://ripewickedplum.com/sa/pride_prejudice.htm
rebcake
Aug. 5th, 2009 02:43 am (UTC)
Oh very cool! I was sure there were things hiding on the interwebs that would feed my P&P and/or BtVS habit.

Not reading Pride & Prejudice is not the sign of a bad writer, BUT you owe yourself the treat of an extremely fun read. If you can get past the first sentence and not be intrigued, you're made of sterner stuff than I. But I have a read fondness for dry and sly, so you may not be so enthralled.
rahirah
Aug. 5th, 2009 02:57 am (UTC)
I see you've already been linked to the Buffy = Darcy version. *g*
rebcake
Aug. 5th, 2009 05:36 am (UTC)
It's the LJ way: through out a little "has anybody done this?" query, and all sorts of cool stuff comes to light!
lynnenne
Aug. 5th, 2009 08:01 pm (UTC)
Did Joss really do that? Where was it originally posted?
rebcake
Aug. 5th, 2009 08:41 pm (UTC)
It wasn't actually Joss, though the title is "Joss Whedon's Pride and Prejudice". Apparently the author was fresne (and friends). Here's the link again:

http://lifeamgood.com/01aprbuffy.html
lynnenne
Aug. 5th, 2009 09:05 pm (UTC)
Ah. That makes more sense. :)
rahirah
Aug. 5th, 2009 11:27 pm (UTC)
God, no, it was done by the fans who wrote the intro page.
larabeckinsale
Aug. 5th, 2009 03:14 am (UTC)
First, congrats on the nominations!

In my mind, Buffy & Spike really are Elizabeth & Darcy in a lot of important ways... In both stories, two intelligent and self-assured people come from different social classes, but are thrown together. After their first encounter she develops a strong dislike for him, while he is instantly fascinated by her.

I agree, the first time I watch the movie (and yes, just watch 'cause I haven't read the book, it's not really part of usual reading material for Latin America, 'cause well, is English) I couldn't help to find the similarities.

I'm not sure about Spike and Buffy really falling in love in season 5 but I do believe that there was the beginning of a great attraction and confusing profound feelings. Just as Elizabeth and Darcy.

You can't really stablish exact paralels between both stories in season 6 and 7 but in essence the characters are the same, I mean Spike is just like Darcy, who stays beside the woman he loves, helps her even though he believes he doesn't have a shot with her and Buffy is like Elizebeth 'cause she eventually realizes the truth about him and accepts him by her side.
rebcake
Aug. 5th, 2009 05:38 am (UTC)
Yep. They so are. In some ways, Team Joss' work is similar to J.K. Rowling, in that there are all these allusions and references and echos of other great works seamlessly worked in. It's part of why I love it so.
petzipellepingo
Aug. 5th, 2009 09:20 am (UTC)
Congratulations on those shiny nominations.
rebcake
Aug. 5th, 2009 06:36 pm (UTC)
Thanks so much!
shapinglight
Aug. 5th, 2009 12:44 pm (UTC)
Must admit, I'd never thought of Spuffy that way. Interesting.

Looking forward to reading your reports about the cons.
rebcake
Aug. 5th, 2009 06:48 pm (UTC)
It's not a perfect analogy, but all the wonderful sniping and UST make it seem that way to me. Some people don't think that Buffy is attracted to Spike at all before Season 6, and for those people this doesn't work at all. Poor them.

One of the discussions 'round the hospitality suite at Writercon was about "changing" one's partner, and how it's kind of impossible to do so. Modifications happen all the time, and compromise and all that good stuff, but people don't completely change into something that wasn't in them before. This is at the heart of the pro-Spike argument, I believe.

I'm just full of thinky thoughts, aren't I? I don't like to argue with people, but I do like to discuss this stuff. I'm not immovable in my stances, though.
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rebcake
Aug. 5th, 2009 06:53 pm (UTC)
Can I just say: our people are awesome!
jen_nsync_landl
Aug. 30th, 2009 03:18 am (UTC)
Hiya. Twice within recent memory (okay, I actually think it might have been twice in the same day), I read fic, looked at comments, and there you were, saying what I intended to say. The first time felt like coincidence, the second time, downright spooky! :) Anyhoo, wandered over here, totally non-stalker-y, read this little bit about B&S and P&P and felt powerfully moved to friend you. Hope that's okay!
rebcake
Aug. 30th, 2009 08:51 am (UTC)
Friend away! Don't let me keep you from making comments, though. Commenting is good for your skin tone. Or something.
jen_nsync_landl
Aug. 31st, 2009 02:56 am (UTC)
Oh, I dutifully left comments both times, but they were not my best work and instead ran to something along the lines of "What rebcake said!" ;)
sandy_s
Nov. 26th, 2015 04:52 am (UTC)
Omgosh...this is SO true! I never thought of this parallel, but it makes total sense to me. I'm now seeing them in a new light.
rebcake
Nov. 26th, 2015 05:07 am (UTC)
It's sort of my through-llne to Spuffy, I think. So I don't have any problem writing fluffy domestic things about them, because that's where Elizabeth and Darcy were headed. Now, there are all sorts of zombie-fighting/vampire slaying versions of P&P being published, so it's not the most original thought I've ever had.
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