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Shallow BtVS 9.6 Observations

First, the local stuff was really excellent. Buffy and Robin do up North Beach in actual North Beach places (Vesuvio! Tosca!) that look right and everything! Of course, the detective calling Fisherman's Wharf "The Embarcadero" was incorrect, but it's an understandable error as one sort of runs into the other. And the pool art was SO PRETTY that I might have to forgive them for putting a pool in where it doesn't belong. See? I'm letting it go.... *waves goodbye*

You know what else was pretty? Robin "The PrinciPAL" Wood! I know I'm in scant company thinking he's pretty much the hottest thing that ever happened on Buffy ('cept Spike, naturally), but c'mon! Hottie McHotterson. However, what's he doing there? I thought he was in Cleveland. It's not like a person in Cali can just call a person in Cleveland and meet them a couple hours later in North Beach. It's a pretty darned big country and we unfortunately haven't invented transporter beams yet.  Maybe he took a job at a troubled school across the bay in Oakland or something, now that the Council is in ruins. (Is the Council in ruins? Am I talking myself into another "Robin Does School Like a Boss" fic?) I sorta think they should have had a line of explanation for how he's physically there, but I'm funny like that. I want to know if he's passing through or one of the cast of local characters. Establish your scene, people!

I'm always happy to see more Nikki, and adore a flashback, but I'm sorta just okay with it here. It wasn't...lyrical. Or something. IDEK. Crowley's facial hair was very exciting, though. The Jeanty cover wherein the cover artwork has nothing at all to do with the story inside is perfect for the time period. Good joke, guys.

I'm also always happy to see more Spike (unless they're ruining him) so that was good. I was impressed with his dramatic leap out of the spaceship. Very action hero. They can really play that aspect up in the comics medium, so it's nice when they do. I also got a kick out of the two guys leaning against the car, just chatting. It's a good look for them. And...I'm still waiting for the detective to announce he's gay, which Spike gave him a perfect opportunity to do, what with trying to play matchmaker for Buffy. (And Spike...no. Don't do that.) But the detective didn't 'fess up, so maybe I'm pinning my hopes on the wrong new character. One of 'em has got to be gay! They promised! Where is he, dad gum it?

And that about wraps up the shallow end. Until next time...



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coalitiongirl
Feb. 10th, 2012 07:41 am (UTC)
*nods emphatically* Robin is so very pretty. (And I know I'm alone in this, but prettier than Spike!) A lot of things were pretty this issue, actually, lots of detail, plays with contrasting colors, all very good work from Jeanty.

And I'm really just dropping by to leave you this lovely promise from Allie's endnote:



(I was so sure it was Severin at first. Here's hoping that new character will have a role beyond Andrew's boyfriend! (He's going to be Andrew's boyfriend right? Right?))

Edited at 2012-02-10 07:42 am (UTC)
rebcake
Feb. 10th, 2012 09:03 am (UTC)
He's going to be Andrew's boyfriend right?

Doesn't look that way. At the "Buffy & LGBT fandom" panel at Comic-Con, Jane said that it would be sort of cheap storytelling to have every new character introduced as a love interest for an existing character, and that they wanted to do something different. Also, the idea that ANY gay guy that showed up would be put with Andrew was too deterministic. Like, if any black guy shows up, he'll get paired with the one black woman, etc. (When we all know that Robin is MINE! MINE, I TELL YOU!) Ahem.

Please note that I am paraphrasing Miss Jane above. She uses words good.
coalitiongirl
Feb. 10th, 2012 03:30 pm (UTC)
Ooh, that's much more thoughtful than I'd expect, given the Buffyverse's track record with lgbt characters! I am impressed. (Though I'm still hoping some relationship for Andrew sometime soon is in the cards...)
rebcake
Feb. 10th, 2012 04:55 pm (UTC)
Well, it WAS Jane E talking. She's quite smart and stuff. But I feel like a lot of the non-variety we got in the show, both ethnically and in other ways, was not really the choice of the creators. It's weird, but it was different times 15 years ago. I think they had to really push to justify every little thing (does this character HAVE to be gay/black/female?) and they saved their energy for the more important battles. This is all conjecture on my part, but I think they really are thoughtful and well-meaning over at ME, even if they don't always get it right.
moscow_watcher
Feb. 10th, 2012 06:08 pm (UTC)
When Eldre Koh said that mating with humans is not allowed for him, I immediately thought of Andrew.
rebcake
Feb. 11th, 2012 12:56 am (UTC)
Heh. Oh, wait. Now I'm confused. Are you saying that Andrew isn't precisely human?

Edited at 2012-02-11 01:46 am (UTC)
moscow_watcher
Feb. 11th, 2012 12:20 pm (UTC)
No - I mean it would be such a great base for drama ("ours is a forbidden love") and comedy ( "Oh, Eldre, we're just like Buffy and Ang... errr, Buffy and Spike"). Plus it would add a metaphorical level to their arc.
shapinglight
Feb. 10th, 2012 11:18 am (UTC)
You're not alone in thinking Robin the hottest thing ever (except Spike, but they're so different you can't really compare).
rebcake
Feb. 10th, 2012 04:34 pm (UTC)
Variety, and all that!
boot_the_grime
Feb. 10th, 2012 01:51 pm (UTC)
I'm with you on the hotness of Robin, I don't know why there seem to be so few people sharing that opinion. I also think that out of all non-Spike (potential) love interests that Buffy had, he had best chemistry with her. (It was painful how many bland guys they introduced in that role - Scott, Riley, Ben.)
rebcake
Feb. 10th, 2012 04:37 pm (UTC)
I'm sure that people decided not to like him because he was Spike's antagonist. I couldn't blame him for that, though. At least Faith knew a good thing when she saw it!
boot_the_grime
Feb. 10th, 2012 11:49 pm (UTC)
I had a problem with him being so resentful of his mother. I don't think he was being fair to her (some comments were really weird - he remembers more of Crawley than of her? Well he was 4 when she died and he spent the rest of his childhood with Crawley, of course he remembers Crawley better and probably it gets mixed with his early memories of Nikki. How many detailed memories can he have of the time when he was under 4?) and he was idealizing Buffy too much compared to her. His main complaint against his mother seems to be that... she didn't have friends or a steady boyfriend?*

*Just like Faith. Boy, Robin really was working out his Oedipal issues in season 7, wasn't he? And apparently he hasn't worked them out, since his relationship with Faith ended in a breakup and Faith was cutting him off on the phone the last time we saw them speak.
rebcake
Feb. 11th, 2012 12:54 am (UTC)
I can see that. I'm not really bothered by kids (even adult kids) being resentful of their parents, though. It's that "who's got the power" thing, again! It's sort of their job to be resentful of their parents' imperfections and when they have kids, hopefully they get over it and get busy being imperfect for their own spawn. I think Robin's got good reasons for being resentful, not the least of which is that he never got a chance to go through the normal, formative I-am-separate-from-my-mommy stage of development. He's not obligated to think of his mom as a perfect selfless hero. He's honoring "Nikki" by accepting her struggles, but his mom let him down. He gets to be messed up about it.
ceciliaj
Feb. 10th, 2012 02:03 pm (UTC)
Yes! Such pretty SF art, such a pretty Robin. :) I liked his chemistry with Buffy and Faith, actually. I would love to see him spend more time with either of them.
rebcake
Feb. 10th, 2012 04:40 pm (UTC)
It would be nice if he were to be around more. Unless they're just going to bring him in so they can kill him off. Tsk.
kerry_220
Feb. 10th, 2012 02:09 pm (UTC)
Oh, he was pretty .... and I always think of him as "Principal Wood" - adds to the teen fantasy :)
rebcake
Feb. 10th, 2012 04:42 pm (UTC)
Your fantasy has merit. Possibly even merit badges.
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rebcake
Feb. 10th, 2012 04:44 pm (UTC)
I've always thought "Wood, Gunn, and Spike" would make a great name for a hard-boiled detective agency. The lulz! The pretty!
beloved_77
Feb. 10th, 2012 08:11 pm (UTC)
"Wood, Gunn, and Spike"

Such phallic images... :-P
ceciliaj
Feb. 10th, 2012 08:23 pm (UTC)
ha!
eilowyn
Feb. 10th, 2012 05:47 pm (UTC)
Jeanty's cityscapes were stunning in this issue, and I'm glad there was some accuracy as to the City. I never took a shine to Robin Wood on the show (though I still thought he was pretty), but I found him more likable in this issue than previously thought.
rebcake
Feb. 11th, 2012 01:00 am (UTC)
He had a good part in this issue. He got to look all understanding and supportive. I always like people better when they are understanding and supporting Buffy!
moscow_watcher
Feb. 10th, 2012 06:11 pm (UTC)
Maybe Wood flew from Cleveland? He doesn't drive Buffy home; she takes a cab. I took it as a sign that he just arrived in the city.
rebcake
Feb. 11th, 2012 01:28 am (UTC)
Flying from Cleveland is possible but unlikely. It's very expensive and time-consuming to travel a distance like that at the last minute. Flying in from LA or Seattle, maybe...

No car could be a sign of coming in from out of town, but it could also be a sign of being semi-local. Lots of Bay Area residents are carless, because the public transit and dense geography make it easier than in a place like LA or Atlanta. Most locals would know better than to bring a car to North Beach, though because you'd never find a parking place!

Essentially, anything is possible! Mysteries abound!
moscow_watcher
Feb. 11th, 2012 12:25 pm (UTC)
I see. Spike is lucky to have a spaceship! :)
rebcake
Feb. 11th, 2012 05:35 pm (UTC)
Definitely! Not least because he never needs to find street parking!
brutti_ma_buoni
Feb. 10th, 2012 07:44 pm (UTC)
I am living comics free these days, but heartily agree with you about Wood. Yus. Please to be writing more about him?

This is the wrong Dream Team, and I won't willingly lose Wesley from the verse, but if you'd like to picture Robin there, you should feel free.
rebcake
Feb. 11th, 2012 01:32 am (UTC)
I don't know if Spike and Wood could ever fully overcome their bad beginning, or if they even should, but a cooperative Wood/Spike/Gunn venture makes feel all warm and...warm.
beloved_77
Feb. 10th, 2012 08:22 pm (UTC)
unless they're ruining him

I'm loving all the Spike and the Spike/Buffy interaction, but since it's been so good, I'm guessing they're gonna crap all over it soon. :-P

I also got a kick of the two guys leaning against the car, just chatting.

I think I'm beginning to like the detective. When he was first introduced, I was afraid that they might try to pair him with Buffy, thus, dashing my Spuffy hope. But I liked him even more when he called Spike on his crap about not being in love with Buffy. :-)
rebcake
Feb. 11th, 2012 01:34 am (UTC)
It's easy to like someone who so clearly sees the beauty and inevitability of the Spuffy, isn't it? Even though they will likely be disappointed like the rest of us...
zanthinegirl
Feb. 10th, 2012 08:50 pm (UTC)
I think Robin is very pretty, and could have a very interesting story. I liked him in season 7, and I liked him in this issue. Sure, he totally took over a struggling school in Oakland!

Spike jumping out of the bug ship was very cool. I can see him doing that to impress the cop. I liked that the cop made him wear a kevlar vest, too. Or "was amused by"; something like that.

I think I like Dawn & Buffy actually talking the start the most though. It was the best sister-moment in the comics so far IMO. I'm also just a fan Dawn moments. That part felt like a real moment.
rebcake
Feb. 11th, 2012 01:41 am (UTC)
Sistahs! (Hope you're doing well, btw.)

I'm liking the idea of Wood going back to work in an inner city school. He couldn't come to the housewarming party because it conflicted with some school event, but he's nearby if they need him. Yes, it just might work...
treadingthedark
Feb. 11th, 2012 07:11 am (UTC)
I didn't like Wood at all in Season 7 because he was breaking my Spuffy heart. Then he tried to kill my Spike. Not very attractive.

I liked him better in the comic!
rebcake
Feb. 11th, 2012 08:14 am (UTC)
Perfectly understandable. I never really held all that against him, at the time, as he had excellent reasons for his animosity. Plus he was a worthy antagonist for Spike, who got to demonstrate even more of his awesome because of Robin. If Robin had succeeded in either wooing Buffy or killing Spike, I don't think I'd be so sanguine, though...
rihannon52
Feb. 12th, 2012 04:18 am (UTC)
I think Robin Wood is the hottest thing (after Spike) that was seen at the show too, and I also love his cameo in #6.
XD
rebcake
Feb. 12th, 2012 05:14 am (UTC)
I guess I'm not alone, after all!
red_satin_doll
Aug. 10th, 2012 01:52 pm (UTC)
NO not alone - I'm completely on-board with rihannon's summation. Yes, Spike and Buffy had to finish out their arc, but the minute I saw Wood I thought "ooh, hot - new love interest for Buffy? Or, New Big Bad?" I liked that they played up the ambiguity at first. I LOVE that he took Buffy on a proper date at a real restaurant (who else on the show ever did that?) and actually fed her and treated her like she deserves to be. (What squicked me out, however, was his saying "You remind me of my mother". Um, besides the slayerness, where is that coming from?) And I loved his being supportive of Faith and the two of them connecting emotionally and physically.

And I don't hate him for anything (I'm referring to the TV show, not the comics) because he actually helped Spike to heal and move on, even if that wasn't his intention. And, my father died when I was three, and it's taken me decades to deal with that. So even though he died early, I understand what it's like to have a lot of unresolved baggage around a parent you barely even knew or remember.
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